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Painbringer · Jan 05, 2007, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Area Net please take away the gem requirement for entry to this quest. Solo players have no chance at accessing this hero unless they fork out tremendous amounts of gold. We have a limit of 3 heroes and no henchmen to choose from in the DOA which makes it impossible for soloists to explore the areas and farm for the gems needed.

MSecorsky · Jan 05, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

/not signed. It is what it is.

Someday I'll get it.

Whisper Evenstar · Jan 05, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

/notsigned

Holy instant gratification batman! Join a PUG and work for it like the rest of us... not everything in life is easy and sometimes you have to work hard on something to get a payoff...

Edit: No, I don't have him yet... but will one day...

Curse You · Jan 05, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Well they are apparently working on some way of making the aquistion of a ritualist hero easier. From what I have heard, they are thinking of doing something to how you get Razah.

And for all you people who think "But I already spent time/money to get him!" stop whinning, that's what you told us when we said his aquisition was unreasonable.

Clone · Jan 05, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

/signed

Give the people who got him already a free Ambrance of Truth or something like that. I just want to get the hero and never have to go back to DoA again. I know Anet probably had the best intentions in mind making it, but it seems like very few enjoy this place, including some talented enough to make it through.

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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And for all you people who think "But I already spent time/money to get him!" stop whinning, that's what you told us when we said his aquisition was unreasonable.

Btw, is it worth the time and effort and money to get 1 silly ole ritualist?

I bet it can't cast properly deploys binding rituals.

I also bet you have to manuelly issue the order to drop w/e binding rit.
So I say again... is it worth 4gems, time, and effort???

/sign

That's if Unless this Ritualist Far exceeds a normal ritualist, which it's not likely...

Kelson · Jan 05, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Well, since I've been asking for this since they added Razah...

/signed

For everyone against this, why?
I like the DoA, and totally agree: leave that alone.
However, then gem requirement is simply too steep for me to have to meet it to have access to a hero on all of my PvE chars, especially when no other hero has any similar requirement.
I have at least one character of each class, getting one of each gem for each character is simply too much work just to access my only chance at a ritualist hero when heroes of every other class are so easily obtained.

Spadas Datum · Jan 05, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

/not signed

Even if you are a soloist/using heros, it is still possible to solo parts, if not all of the 4 areas. Therefore, it is possible to get those gems.

Some tips, city, gloom, and foundry, a monk as tank and have either your hero as partner or a friend, you figure the rest.
Veil, cliff, kill stuff up top and cc down.

This area is designed to require you to give some thoughts as to what you are doing. Evaluate the zone, then find ways to do it.

It is also unfair to players who spent the time soloing, or getting into groups to acquire those gems initially.

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Even if you are a soloist/using heros, it is still possible to solo parts...

You said parts... yet you still say it's possible to solo?!

FYI this "Elite" Mission is not like the elite missions in Factions were you get to have 12 players.

If Anet doesn't want to do anything about the gemstones, then make it possible to have 12 players in a team.

DOA is a elite mission and it should have the same setup like in Factions... "The Deep" and that Other one..

Spadas Datum · Jan 05, 2007, 09:20 PM // 21:20

FYI:
soloing doesn't require one to beat the entire place.
For instance, back in the UW glory days, a monk solo the bulls and smites and all the other solo builds have the same mentality of soloing a certain part, groups of foes, or a singular boss, etc.

Next, faction elite is only 12 players. Also, having beaten all 4 parts of the DoA within about 8 hours, I think I know what I'm talking about.

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

For the "average" player, not many know your style of play. The whole point of playing a game is to Have fun. Since when did Guild Wars turn "Hardcore?" If you'd like, why not make a video of yourself beating the mission in under 8 hours maybe people can watch and copy your tactics. Heck, maybe even anet will nerf your method in the process because it was probably done a cheap way

much like they did with the 55monk

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soloing doesn't require one to beat the entire place.

I never said anything about requiring players to beat the whole area. However, your suppose too in other to get the 4 gemstones. I'm proposing that they make it 12 players and not 8 players, much like in the elite missions in Factions. That's to say if you have ever been to these 2 elite missions.

Kelson · Jan 05, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by Spadas Datum

/not signed

Even if you are a soloist/using heros, it is still possible to solo parts, if not all of the 4 areas. Therefore, it is possible to get those gems.

Some tips, city, gloom, and foundry, a monk as tank and have either your hero as partner or a friend, you figure the rest.
Veil, cliff, kill stuff up top and cc down.

This area is designed to require you to give some thoughts as to what you are doing. Evaluate the zone, then find ways to do it.

My question here is.....who cares?
What does something being possible have to do with whether I should have to do it?
I have soloed and duoed a fair bit here, I know it is quite possible, and if you want 1 of each gem, you can always just do the quest.
However, just because its possible doesn't mean I should be forced to do it just to receive something on par with the average non-elite PvE content.

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Originally Posted by Express2022

I'm proposing that they make it 16 players and not 8 players, much like in the elite missions in Factions. That's to say if you have ever been to these 2 elite missions.

Well, I'd say Spadas has since he actually knew the party size is 12, not 16.
Have you?

Express2022 · Jan 05, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Express2022
I'm proposing that they make it 16 players and not 8 players, much like in the elite missions in Factions. That's to say if you have ever been to these 2 elite missions.

Well, I'd say Spadas has since he actually knew the party size is 12, not 16.
Have you?

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You're off by 5 mins, spotted my typo beforehand

Curse You · Jan 05, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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Originally Posted by Spadas Datum

It is also unfair to players who spent the time soloing, or getting into groups to acquire those gems initially.

It's more unfair to those who just want a ritualist hero, but have to spend time they don't have/want to spend to get it.

As I said, stop whinning. You yourself have already said to us to stop whinning, now it's time you took your own advice.

Spadas Datum · Jan 05, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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My question here is.....who cares?
What does something being possible have to do with whether I should have to do it?
I have soloed and duoed a fair bit here, I know it is quite possible, and if you want 1 of each gem, you can always just do the quest.
However, just because its possible doesn't mean I should be forced to do it just to receive something on par with the average non-elite PvE content.

Uh, read the original first post. I'm only arguing for the fact that it is possible
to do it solo and therefore based my /not sign on the fact that the orginal post was about how doable it is to get the gems. I agree with you that Razah isn't really any better than any other heros, (but that's also merely opinion.) By all means, you're not forced to get Razah either and the implication of the first post was that the player did want to get Razah and that he felt that being a solo type of player won't grant him his wish. Therefore, seeing the facts that it is by all means possible, I maintain my argument on that you can solo for gems.
Here's the original first post.

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Area Net please take away the gem requirement for entry to this quest. Solo players have no chance at accessing this hero unless they fork out tremendous amounts of gold. We have a limit of 3 heroes and no henchmen to choose from in the DOA which makes it impossible for soloists to explore the areas and farm for the gems needed.

To Answer express:

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For the "average" player, not many know your style of play. The whole point of playing a game is to Have fun. Since when did Guild Wars turn "Hardcore?" If you'd like, why not make a video of yourself beating the mission in under 8 hours maybe people can watch and copy your tactics. Heck, maybe even anet will nerf your method in the process because it was probably done a cheap way much like they did with the 55monk

Many people know our style as most of our builds are known in the area. The basic set up of 3 monks, 1 obsidian flesh tanks, and the miscellaneous slots of ele, necro, mes, ranger, etc. This is for the regular group farming. The reason teams fail even with the build is lack of experience in the area, lack of communication, or lack of luck. As for the 8 hours part, anet has a err59 code which boots player out of a particular zone once they have been in that zone for 10 hours. Therefore, a group in order to beat all 4 realms in a row, must be able to complete it under 10 hours. Here are 2 links, the first is about our failed attempt because err 59 hit and our successful attempt. Next time, if we do the 4 in a row again, I'll just give a time for when the time hits to confirm your doubts.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10095409

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10096618

As for the farming/solo method, it's doable, but again, it requires experience of the area, knowing the build of that particular solo method, as well as having a bit of luck.

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You said parts... yet you still say it's possible to solo?!

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I never said anything about requiring players to beat the whole area. However, your suppose too in other to get the 4 gemstones. I'm proposing that they make it 12 players and not 8 players, much like in the elite missions in Factions. That's to say if you have ever been to these 2 elite missions.

Yes, you can solo parts of the area. Kelson also agrees on that point. No, you do not have to beat the whole area to get all 4 gems. Gems also drops from the monster in the area. Also, you do not have to kill everything in the area to beat the mission. Yes, I have been to urgoz/deep and if you were even around when we held HzH, my guild was in the alliances that held them starting from Lust, to oOo, to EOE, to TLS, and that is where our journey ends. As for the 12 player idea, as of personal experience, it takes far too long to gather up 12 people as opposed to 8. Especially when the mission is very doable with 8 people, 12 is unnecessary.

Spadas Datum · Jan 05, 2007, 11:00 PM // 23:00

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It's more unfair to those who just want a ritualist hero, but have to spend time they don't have/want to spend to get it.

As I said, stop whinning. You yourself have already said to us to stop whinning, now it's time you took your own advice.

I have not written about anything that concerns whining, lol. For those who don't have time or don't want to, then don't get him then. Put yourself in the shoe of the people who got Razah by acquiring the 4 gems first, then consider. Just like in real life, if you want something, you will have to work for it. Yes this is a game, but it's also has elements that allow people with time to get what they want get it. Before the release of nightfall, I got caught up with other things so, I haven't been able to play guildwars and missed out on whatever event was happening. Is it fair for me to say sorry, my real life caught up and can you give me everything that I missed because I want what everyone else had or participate in. Just like when the prices of everything were reset, I was away at work, and didn't realize ectos were being bought at 100 gold per when that happened, so I missed out on that. For people that were on at the right time, then great, I have no quarrel with that even though I'm a little dissappointed I couldn't pick off a few stacks. Basically, if you don't have the time or don't want to spend the time, then don't ask for what others used their time to get.

Kelson · Jan 06, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

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Originally Posted by Express2022

You're off by 5 mins, spotted my typo beforehand

Nope...I caught before that, then had to go back and fix a typo of my own.

Crom The Pale · Jan 06, 2007, 06:26 AM // 06:26

/signed

And I already spend close to 200k for the Gems to unlock him for my Dervish that was never going to be able to complete the nessasary quests.

The quest for Razah is masters difficulty and is of appropriate lvl for the Hero aquired. But the Gems have no place and serve no purpose other than to limit the Hero to those die hards who have the time and people needed(class people want) to do the quests or those rich enough to pay for him.

Drop the Gems, Keep the master difficulty quest!

legion_rat · Jan 06, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

/signed

And I already spend close to 200k for the Gems to unlock him for my Dervish that was never going to be able to complete the nessasary quests.

The quest for Razah is masters difficulty and is of appropriate lvl for the Hero aquired. But the Gems have no place and serve no purpose other than to limit the Hero to those die hards who have the time and people needed(class people want) to do the quests or those rich enough to pay for him.

Drop the Gems, Keep the master difficulty quest!

/signed
I agree with crom. keep the level of play up lose the gems.

~the Rat~

Undivine · Jan 07, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Please keep suggestions about the aquisition of Razah confined to one thread. This thread here is listed in our Index of Ideas. Check the index before you post.

...you ninny.